--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"
story if windows.. now the golden era of MS has ended
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply.
Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you normally start off from.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions.
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic start menu :o)
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose.
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish, but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window will appear blue instead.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new theme!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5)
But computers are getting better and better - pretty much all new computers that people will buy will be able to support Vista in one way or another. It's rare to have a new computer with less than 40GB hard drive in it, it's rare to have a new computer with 256MB in, so the next one up is 512MB :o)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is half a year old :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"
Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you normally start off from.
no not everyone on the planet that uses windows knows what an ORB is. "Normally" means that you are telling someone who already knows windows. What if you are giving support to someone who just got his first PC.
imagine this dialog.
Person A. Press start person B. I cant see start anywhere. A. Oh do you have vista? B, Yes I just got it with my new computer! A..Ok press the orb then. B what the heck is an ORB? A its that shiney round thing in the left bottom corner with an icon of a flag.. well it doesnt look like a flag anymore ... YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN B. Nope..Mr, are you high on something?
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic start menu :o)
Now that is correct.. But classic is worse than WinXP style menu, and most new users will not know how to change it in the first place!
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish, but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window will appear blue instead.
What will be the color of the taskbar if you apply the tint?
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new theme!
You didnt have to. The same theme runs on XP without any hack or extra program installed on XP. I have that msstyle if you want it.
But computers are getting better and better
I agree and this is partially because of the sloppy work of MS developers... so I will not complain too much about this.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is half a year old :o)
You are lucky... I know many people whos computers cant handle aero.. I have 3 here and no one can without me getting new GPUs. And my main PC GPU works great....ati 9000... Getting a new GPU is fine when you have a desktop.. but for the laptop users that means they need a new laptop!
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply.
Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you normally start off from.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions.
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic start menu :o)
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose.
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish, but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window will appear blue instead.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new theme!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5)
But computers are getting better and better - pretty much all new computers that people will buy will be able to support Vista in one way or another. It's rare to have a new computer with less than 40GB hard drive in it, it's rare to have a new computer with 256MB in, so the next one up is 512MB :o)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is half a year old :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"
New OS versions need to be a little like medical doctors. First, do no harm.
Vista is slow, requires much more memory and disk than anything before, and has a loss of features as compared to XP.
Perhaps the upcoming builds will change this, but currently I cannot find a single redeeming feature. That coupled with change for change sake differences makes a poor excuse for a new Windows.
Again until the final RTM is done we can't be sure, but currently it has a very very long way to go.
Ed -- Thanks... Ed Dixon "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"
Actually, the name of the new Start menu button is "Pearl" -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply.
Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you normally start off from.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions.
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic start menu :o)
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose.
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish, but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window will appear blue instead.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new theme!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5)
But computers are getting better and better - pretty much all new computers that people will buy will be able to support Vista in one way or another. It's rare to have a new computer with less than 40GB hard drive in it, it's rare to have a new computer with 256MB in, so the next one up is 512MB :o)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is half a year old :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"
Got a link to back that up? :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
Actually, the name of the new Start menu button is "Pearl" -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message 1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply.
Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you normally start off from.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions.
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic start menu :o)
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose.
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish, but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window will appear blue instead.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new theme!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5)
But computers are getting better and better - pretty much all new computers that people will buy will be able to support Vista in one way or another. It's rare to have a new computer with less than 40GB hard drive in it, it's rare to have a new computer with 256MB in, so the next one up is 512MB :o)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is half a year old :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=161254
Brandon Leblanc was the one who came up with Orb name when he first saw the new button after PDC 2005. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
Got a link to back that up? :o)
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"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message 1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply.
Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you normally start off from.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions.
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic start menu :o)
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose.
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish, but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window will appear blue instead.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new theme!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5)
But computers are getting better and better - pretty much all new computers that people will buy will be able to support Vista in one way or another. It's rare to have a new computer with less than 40GB hard drive in it, it's rare to have a new computer with 256MB in, so the next one up is 512MB :o)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is half a year old :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"
I have a new Toshiba M400 Dual Core 2.16ghz machine with 2G RAM running the Intel 945GM graphics chipset. I'm running at 1400x1050 and have 128MB RAM for the GPU.
After installing Vista Beta2 I only see the Basic video support. While it's nice I was expecting the Glass theme.
What more do I need??
Thanks Jim Hegerty hegerty@msn.com
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply.
Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you normally start off from.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions.
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic start menu :o)
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose.
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish, but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window will appear blue instead.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new theme!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5)
But computers are getting better and better - pretty much all new computers that people will buy will be able to support Vista in one way or another. It's rare to have a new computer with less than 40GB hard drive in it, it's rare to have a new computer with 256MB in, so the next one up is 512MB :o)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is half a year old :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"
I used the "orb" name without even knowing about what LeBlanc had said - it looked like an orb to me so I just used it :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=161254
Brandon Leblanc was the one who came up with Orb name when he first saw the new button after PDC 2005. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Got a link to back that up? :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Actually, the name of the new Start menu button is "Pearl" -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message 1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply.
Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you normally start off from.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions.
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic start menu :o)
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose.
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish, but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window will appear blue instead.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new theme!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5)
But computers are getting better and better - pretty much all new computers that people will buy will be able to support Vista in one way or another. It's rare to have a new computer with less than 40GB hard drive in it, it's rare to have a new computer with 256MB in, so the next one up is 512MB :o)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is half a year old :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"
WDDM drivers - however I don't think you can get drivers for your machine... check with the manufacturers though, they might have something for Beta 2 :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "Jim" wrote in message
I have a new Toshiba M400 Dual Core 2.16ghz machine with 2G RAM running the Intel 945GM graphics chipset. I'm running at 1400x1050 and have 128MB RAM for the GPU.
After installing Vista Beta2 I only see the Basic video support. While it's nice I was expecting the Glass theme.
What more do I need??
Thanks Jim Hegerty hegerty@msn.com
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply.
Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you normally start off from.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions.
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic start menu :o)
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose.
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish, but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window will appear blue instead.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new theme!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5)
But computers are getting better and better - pretty much all new computers that people will buy will be able to support Vista in one way or another. It's rare to have a new computer with less than 40GB hard drive in it, it's rare to have a new computer with 256MB in, so the next one up is 512MB :o)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is half a year old :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"
Vista drivers for the Intel 945GM graphics chipset:
"The Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950 on both the Intel® 945G and Mobile Intel® 945GM Express Chipsets will support the Windows Vista Display Driver model (WDDM) drivers.
http://www.intel.com/business/bss/products/client/vistasolutions/mobile.htm -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jim" wrote in message
I have a new Toshiba M400 Dual Core 2.16ghz machine with 2G RAM running the Intel 945GM graphics chipset. I'm running at 1400x1050 and have 128MB RAM for the GPU.
After installing Vista Beta2 I only see the Basic video support. While it's nice I was expecting the Glass theme.
What more do I need??
Thanks Jim Hegerty hegerty@msn.com
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply.
Everyone knows what an orb is, surely? It's a round glass like thingy - but even then if you say the "Start orb" or press "Start", people nowadays generally go straight to the bottom left of the screen - that's where you normally start off from.
2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions.
I agree - it's a bit of a pain, but you can always go back to the Classic start menu :o)
The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose.
They have tinted it - by default the "Aero" theme does come as black-ish, but if you customise your colours to have a blue tint, the maximised window will appear blue instead.
They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!!
It was dull :-o really very dull! I upgraded to MCE *just* to get the new theme!
4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5)
But computers are getting better and better - pretty much all new computers that people will buy will be able to support Vista in one way or another. It's rare to have a new computer with less than 40GB hard drive in it, it's rare to have a new computer with 256MB in, so the next one up is 512MB :o)
5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO.
Ahh contrare - on my laptop it works quite well, even though this machine is half a year old :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
--Win95 was a great improvement..a revolution (although it did borrow ideas form others) --Win98 was like 95 but it sorted out all the buts and added some new technologies --Win98SE had some minor improvements --WinMe, was an abomination. They tried to load 1000 gui improvements on a core that just couldnt handle the task! Results? It kept crashing.... --Win2000 was another milestone, but the target was not on the masses, thus it was not so popular as it deserved. --WinXP was the best OS MS had made, flexible, easy to use, stable, popular (meaning that you could find drivers)..
END OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF WINDOWS
and now we have vista.... that has big problems:
1) While XP goal was to make it easy for users to use, vista is a strange monster..... They changed the start button to an orb. Now the word start was not super fantastic, but you could tell someone from the phone press the start button if you wanted to give him support. Now what are you going to tell him? Press the ORB? What the heck is an orb, will be the most likely reply. 2) The start menu unfolds upon itself, this means you cannot see the path you are going with your mouse in a visual unfolding menu. But that will it HARDER for people to remember and do fast mouse actions. The reason for this unfolding upon itself was because with XP you ended up having too long of a start menu. However there are tools that solve this problem like www.tidystartmenu.com . Couldn't, MS just buy this technology and add a startmeny tidy wizard? 3) The whole black color of Vista is depressing and bad. Black is the worse color they could choose. They dont seem like they are willing to give alternatives to that stupid aero glass, only a way to tint the colors of the windows. Black is depressing.. Luna from XP was happy!!! 4) The whole OS is a monster... 7 gb of HD space needed, 512 ram is the absolute minimum of ram, its sluggish slow.. and it needs to have super high end graphic adaptors (see point5) 5) People who even have new computers and especially laptops will not be able to use AERO. Even New very expensive laptops cannot work with aero... and they COULD make aero work without having a super GPU, like window blinds does.. and IF they had a better GPU it would work better. But noooooo.... MS wants to push all technology so people wills start buying more hardware. I bet we will see a Microsoft GPU in no time!
I could go on and on... but lets face it. When I install Vista I will do it because it will support new technologies, and because MS will fade out XP slowly using its techniques (vista only technology). But when I install it, I will have to tweak it to make it usable. Even if I do it, other simple users wont be able to. I support and teach hundreds of people... I know what they will start asking.. I know their complaints beforehand!
If some of them struggled to use XP, what will they do with vista? Its a step backward.... an abomination!
And this "change" is because it wants to do something different for marketing reasons... these changes are stupid, not to really give the user a better "user experience"